Source of Palin Leaks Proudly Goes Public

Eliz H would love to have failin Palin on the show full time.... but she might be drooling over her!

A lemon only has so much juice.

Gets worse over in another seed the right is talking insurrection with guns no less. Man we asked for coming together and thy respond with that kind of talk. A tame program like the peace corps is suggested to be a Nazi type takeover? What do these people eat and drink. At least folks you can now see through their open wounds the real face of the republican party and it is not pretty at all.

I can wrap a turd in a snickers wrapper and sell it to you as a candy bar. Just so long as I say it is a candy bar then you will eat it right.

Well in the end it still smells like crap. It doesn't matter what Obama calls it, it is what it is. He is calling forth a civilian force equal strength (budget and number wise) to that of the military. For what end I ask? Why? What will it do for me as a citizen. I didn't realize that we needed such a large well funded group to carry out Obama's wishes within our own boarders. With blind sheep such as yourself to carry out his beck and call I can see that I do need to worry. Where will he get funding, oh, cut half the military funding. Hmm. Open your eyes! Hitler was ushered in when Germany was under great economic duress (in a democratic party nonetheless) and promised to return prosperity to the people bringing about great change. Why do you attack those of us that want to question his motives. Everything he is or plans to do smells of a socialism and boarders on communism. Put it all together, it is very plain to see if you understand socialism and the history behind it.

He is calling forth a civilian force equal strength (budget and number wise) to that of the military. Really? Where are you getting your budget numbers?

For what end I ask? Why? I presume to further the ends of such groups as Peace Corps, AmeriCorps, USA Freedom Corps, VISTA, YouthBuild Program, and the Senior Corps, which is what he was talking about prior to his election.

Hitler was ushered in when Germany was under great economic duress (in a democratic party nonetheless) and promised to return prosperity to the people bringing about great change. Why do you attack those of us that want to question his motives. Everything he is or plans to do smells of a socialism and boarders on communism. Why would I "attack" those of you who question his motives? Maybe it's because you make such completely asinine suggestions such as this comparison of Obama to Hitler. For the record, the Nazis were completely opposed to Communism. That's one reason why the US recruited former Nazis and revived old Nazi spy rings in the Post-WWII Cold War-- their total abhorrence of Communism.

When you try to claim that Obama is simultaneously a Nazi and a Communist, you've entered the realm of absurdity.

it is very plain to see if you understand socialism and the history behind it. What's hard for me to see is whether you have any knowledge of either.

Socialism is a stepping stone to communism,

Socialism refers to a broad set of economic theories of social organization advocating state or collective ownership and administration of the

HITLER WAS THE LEADER OF THE GERMAN NATIONAL SOCIALIST WORKERS PARTY (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei NSDAP).

Educate yourself before you speak about that YOU have no understanding!

The Nazis were fascists who subordinated the individual and the state to the concept of race. Communists subordinate the individual to the state. Communism and fascism are different politico-economic ideologies, just as fascism and capitalism are different, and communism and capitalism are different. The Nazis historically opposed communism and loathed communists. Read a book for @!$%#'s sake. Or, since you love google, look up "national socialism" and "fascism." If you can manage to focus on the text for more than ten seconds, what you'll find is that neither equates to communism.

national-socialistic fascists, unlike international socialists, do not believe in the notion of equality of people across ethnic, cultural, national, or religious lines. Fascists declare either nation or race as the supreme unifying source of a people, and claim that class divisions which they perceive as being imposed by capitalism, communism, and international socialism must be subdued to allow the nation or race to unify.

Hitler himself distanced himself and the Nazi party from Communism, stating, Our adopted term 'Socialist' has nothing to do with Marxian Socialism. Marxism is anti-property; true Socialism is not. So not only is it an asinine suggestion to say that Obama is poised to become "like Hitler", it's equally asinine to equate Communism and Nazism.

Educate yourself before you speak about that YOU have no understanding! Irony, thy name is rwyn.

Again, when you try to claim that Obama is simultaneously a Nazi and a Communist, you've entered the realm of absurdity.

Socialism is the state or collective ownership, production and distribution of goods and the creation of an egalitarian society.

Egalitarianism (derived from the Generally it applies to being held equal under the law and society at large. In actual practice, one may be considered an egalitarian in most areas listed above, even if not subscribing to equality in every possible area of individual difference.

I am not claiming Obam is a Nazi, never did, I paralled Obama's rise to that of Hitler. The comparisons that I do make to Hitler are that they both came from nowhere and gained fast political support with no or very little political experience. They are both very charismatic speakers with the ability to stir masses to their cause. The connection I made was with Hitler to socialism and that per Karl Marx, socialism is a stepping stone to communism. Karl Marx theorized that capitalism produced rapid prosperity was succeptable to failure. Thus, after the capitalist class accumulated most of the wealth eventually the working class would demand empowerment.

This is virtually where the US stands today and Obama is promising to bring about these changes. Sounds good right? Why should it scare anyone right? The largest difference between socialism and communism is that communism lacks any form of religeon. Socialist beliefs empower the state to provide for all the needs of the people. One must place their "faith" into the state.

We are on the verge of economic collapse. Religeon has all but been outlawed in government.

 "Hitler was ushered in when Germany was under great economic duress (in a democratic party nonetheless) and promised to return prosperity to the people bringing about great change. " This was my comment regarding the parallel to Obama's rapid rise from nowhere. I never stated Obama was a Nazi. Twist my words however you want. You are nowhere as good at it as your messiah.

"Woe! Woe, O great city,
O Babylon, city of power!
In one hour you doom has come!"
                              Revelation 18:10

Well, give us the link to clarify.  ya think?

All you have to do is google the name of the guy claiming the link. The Huff Po story about the hoax is like the third link down.

Both MSNBC and the other major outlet who published the story have now retracted it.

Damn, because I have been dying to know who the leak is.

More properly:  Who the leaks are.

Here. More here...

iarnu thanks the second one is really fine. Thanks a whole lot.

No problem. The really interesting question is--

She also thinks that Jesus will return in her life time and that Alaska will be like some sort of staging ground for the Rapture. Not to mention that she believes a Kenyan witch hunter's blessing has helped catapult her political career.

iarnuocon #7.6

and who thinks Alaska being located near Russia means she has foreign policy "experience."

never happened, so why are you repeating it? Just wondering.

Of course it happened and then *after* it happened she defended the comment during her Couric interview.

never happened, so why are you repeating it? Because it happened

Couric: You've cited Alaska's proximity to Russia as part of your foreign policy experience. What did you mean by that?

Sarah Palin: That Alaska has a very narrow maritime border between a foreign country, Russia, and, on our other side, the land-boundary that we have with Canada. It's funny that a comment like that was kinda made to … I don't know, you know … reporters.

Couric: Mocked?

Palin: Yeah, mocked, I guess that's the word, yeah.

Couric: Well, explain to me why that enhances your foreign-policy credentials.

Palin: Well, it certainly does, because our, our next-door neighbors are foreign countries, there in the state that I am the executive of. And there… It's very important when you consider even national security issues with Russia. As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border. It is from Alaska that we send those out to make sure that an eye is being kept on this very powerful nation, Russia, because they are right there, they are right next to our state.

Get it? "It's right there... next to our state... they're our next door neighbors... separated by a narrow maritime border." That's her answer to "What did you mean by stating Alaska's proximity to Russia is part of your foreign policy experience?"

That's an interesting meaning for the phrase "never happened." But you might want to reserve it for things which weren't caught on videotape.

Get it? "It's right there... next to our state... they're our next door neighbors... separated by a narrow maritime border." That's her answer to "What did you mean by stating Alaska's proximity to Russia is part of your foreign policy experience?

Hmmmm

Lets see, most of the alert fighters that are used to intercept Russian aircraft are in Alaska.  Lets see, the patrol space of the strategic Air command is over Alaska.  

Lets see, the majority of the U.S. early warning radars are in Alaska.

Fisheries disputes between the U.S. and Russia, yep Alaska is ground zero for that.

Resource disputes in the artic coastal waters between the U.S. and Russia, yep that too.

Silly of her to consider those things as part of U.S. foreign policy between us and them.

You are not correct in your inference.  Alaska the state does NOT control what happens between the US military and Russia:  that's the province of the Federal government & NORAD. 

Further, if a Russian fighter were to encroach on US airspace it would provoke an international incident.  Haven't had one of those since um, let's see...1978. 

Fishing disputes? Nope. Also not a state issue: they are handled by the Feds.

Re: Palin's so-called experience as governor: The entire population of the State of Alaska is LESS than the city of San Diego.  While playing at being a mayor of Wasila [pop. 9,438], the council only met once a month.  RE: the position of governor she describes as being more of a 'town councilperson".  Her words.   

When asked about recent Supreme Court decisions Palin couldn't recall a single one aside from Roe V Wade.  This, despite the decision just 18 months earlier that let Exxon Corp. off the hook for over 6 billion dollars they still owed Alaska for the ongoing clean up after the disastrous Exxon Valdez oil spill that will take another 50 years to pick up the glop left by their drunken and inept captain hitting a well marked shoal.  Alaskan citizens will have to pony up the gelt to pay for those damages out of their own pockets.  And she didn't recall such an important decision. 

Why is it all these Republicans can fight for is to overturn Roe V. Wade.  Screw the  fact 45 million don't have any healthcare coverage and so will DIE up to 30 years before those WITH medical insurance.  Why is it they have no problem denying free breakfasts to poor kids, or helping them get into college so they have a hope of getting out of poverty, or teaching decent sex-ed and self esteem to fifth and sixth graders to cut the pregnancy rates? (no, Sarah says 'teach them to just say 'NO'  Worked for Bristol, didn't it?)  Palin declared women don't deserve equal pay with men doing the same work because 'women are not the intellectual equals of men'.  Well, If you go by her, she's got a point on that one.

Regarding that 'narrow maritime border' and her ability to 'see Russia' from her home, that is as ludicrous a comment as any she's made.  

            1)there's over 4,000 sea miles between Alaska and Russia. The only place where the countries come close is near the North Pole. [Russia turned down a bridge across because there aren't any roads leading towards the area - just thousands of square miles of wasteland, ice, and frozen steppes impassable to any but mountain goats and the few hardy peasants who've lived there since time immemorial] . The waters of the strait are violent and dangerous.  None have crossed that way for the past 10,000 years.

          2) New York City is closer to Moscow than Wasilla Alaska.   So much for her moronic comment  I can see Russia from...."

I suggest you check out the article on Newsvine where one of the bloggers [correctlly] points out how horribly Palin treated her own children during this campaign - bordering on abuse.  I think it was called "Mommy Dearest, Sarah Palin?"  The author really hit that nail on the head when she talks about how the Governor never looked at her baby, it was usually upside down over her arm or being carried by the little girls.  Or how Palin dragged her kids from one campaign stop to another to another etc and made them sit on those stages while crowds yelled racial epithets. 

Check out that article and then come back and say how you would support such a person.  She'll be lucky if her daughters don't all turn up pregnant or using drugs, at the very least they'll be in therapy for years thanks to their greedy, grasping mother who used her daughters as stage props.  

Finally, Sarah Palin was a traitor to the man who picked her as running mate.  Not only in her comments about 'during my administration' and 'when I'm making policy' type comments, it was the disgusting fact the last 2 weeks the signs passed out at her rallies said 'PALIN' 2008 not 'MCCAIN-PALIN'.   She openly disagreed with what McCain was declaring his platform; she tossed out the speeches the official campaign writers had given her, instead, she trotted out "the person who's helping make my decisions" Elisabeth .. as in the same woman who'd won the Australian Survivor contest a year ago and now was on 'the View'.  Well, I suppose Elisabeth had better foreign experience than Palin: at least one of them would've been in a foreign country longer than to refuel a plane.

Sarah kept trotting out 'Joe the Plumber'. He was perfect for her campaign:  a liar and a cheat.  He owed 1700 on a lien for work he'd contracted for but never finished.  He said he was a licensed plumber (lie), that he was going to buy his boss's company (lie), that he made over 250, 000.00(lie - he's never made over 30 grand in a single year, and mostly made under 20 g's).  [He'll actually make money under Obama's plan].

 Palin actually had this semi-literate person discussing foreign policy, like he actually knew what Socialism was ( he didn't- he kept confusing his terms on Socialism, Fascism and communism). JTP thought he was going to get all these book and movie deals, so he signed with a 'publicist'.  Now he's found out nobody's interested in yesterday's news, but he still has to pay this publicity maven, who knew a sucker when he saw one.

Palin believes in creationism. She refutes global warming. She decries Obama for 'spreading the wealth' despite the fact SHE gave away 1500.00 of money confiscated from oil companies to the citizens of Alaska (which, by the way, is having its FIRST budget deficit in over 50 years, thanks to her spendthrift ways). She believes any woman who has an abortion deserves prison, and so does the doctor.  She forgets about the tens of thousands of women who died of sepsis from home abortions on kitchen tables.  Abortion has been part of society for 10,000 years.  You can't legislate it away.  You can make it safe.  You can make it less necessary as Obama intends.

PALIN was the one who was 'palling around with terrorists'. Her husband's been a member of the AIP (Alaskan Independence Party) til recently.  The AIP's mission is to secede from the Union taking the gas &  oil with them, by violence if necessary.  Palin recorded the opening speech in March of '08.  10% of Alaskans belong to this group. The AIP is on the FBI's list of terrorist organizations.  Hmmm. naughty naughty.

iarnuocon; brian ford

...and who thinks Alaska being located near Russia means she has foreign policy "experience."

BF

Of course it happened and then *after* it happened she defended the comment during her Couric interview.

As  I said, it never happened, but if you want to believe a lady was sawed in half, up to you. What did indeed happen however, and which no doubt has caused considerable confusion among a certain group let's say because they're inclined to be confused by all things Palin, is the following:

First, there was a heavily edited Charlie Gibson interview in which the broadcast portion was deliberately altered to distort Palin's nuanced and insistent replies. Second, Couric's interview in which Couric referring to broadcast reply is answered by Palin who responds naturally, assuming her actual interview was broadcast. In no case did she say that her foreign policy experience derives from the proximty of Russia to Alaska.  Never happened. It only happened if you want to believe it happened. And The Obama attracts believers.

screwy formatting after you go into xhtml from normal mode...yech.

and now #7.13 looks ok again...I dunno

Wasn't, "I can see Russia from my back yard"......actually Tina Fey's line?

First, there was a heavily edited Charlie Gibson interview in which the broadcast portion was deliberately altered to distort Palin's nuanced and insistent replies.

Ah, the fabled "heavily edited transcript" story comes up, yet again.

And thus, we have the mystery box, the plot of the next Indiana Jones movie "The Secret of the Lost Transcript" in which a little fairy dust and wishful thinking changes her actual words, but only if you believe hard enough. C'mon kids! Do you believe?

Meanwhile, we have video evidence, cited by iarnuocon, in which she admits *yet again* that she believes her Alaska's proximity to Russia has given her some phantom experience -- despite the fact that nothing in her time as Governor has ever involved dealing with Russia in any way, shape or form. Even in your "edited" transcript she doesn't once provide some sort of explanation for how that "narrow maritime border" somehow magically turns into experience.

I eat at a lot of nice restaurants, but I don't consider myself a chef.

In no case did she say that her foreign policy experience derives from the proximty of Russia to Alaska. Never happened. Hey, if being confronted by actual video evidence of Palin saying exactly that her foreign policy experience derives from Russia's proximity is not enough to convince you that she said it, then you're impervious to fact.

I already knew this, but it's nice to have you confirm it.

Silly of her to consider those things as part of U.S. foreign policy between us and them. Except she wasn't considering them part of US foreign policy, she was claiming that those things meant she had foreign policy experience. The question was explain to me why that enhances your foreign-policy credentials. Really, this goes hand in hand with your nonsense about how she never was for the "Bridge to Nowhere."

She could have (if she were remotely articulate) have made the point that you're trying to make for her-- that Alaska's proximity to Russia places it in a special position as regards US foreign policy, and that as governor she has kept tabs on US foreign policy as it relates to Russia. Then she could have gone on to give examples of foreign policy issues that such proximity has made her particularly aware of. But that's not what she did, is it?

Well, I love the twisting of the thoughts really!  The question could be put in many scenarios.

Who knows more about Russia, the Alaskan or someone living in California?

Is possible that the Russian ships could be seen from one of the Alaskans' coasts?

I don't care about the foreign policy knowledge of K. Couric, she showed that she isn't the sharper knife in any drawer of the media.

In that interview KC looked more envious because Sarah was getting all the attention. 

Who knows more about Russia, the Alaskan or someone living in California?

Probably the person in either location which has actually been involved with or done some special studying about Russia.

Is possible that the Russian ships could be seen from one of the Alaskans' coasts?

Uh. Why does that matter? I can *see* the space shuttle launch, but that doesn't make me an astronaut.

I don't care about the foreign policy knowledge of K. Couric, she showed that she isn't the sharper knife in any drawer of the media.

Thank you for the worthless comment about Couric. If you're going to criticize her, maybe you could step out from behind your typical "one sentence" sniping and provide some sort of analysis of *why* Couric isn't the shaper knife?

And then, when you're done, you could describe what, if anything, that has to do about Palin's bull@!$%# commentary about Russia's proximity to Alaska.

Ross Perot's own words represents my one lines:

 ""I'm just the grain of sand that IRRITATES the oyster into producing the pearl. ...""

You are not correct in your inference.  Alaska the state does NOT control what happens between the US military and Russia:  that's the province of the Federal government & NORAD. 

This is an apt illustration of what is wrong with the attacks on Palin.  First you assume that I have not known the above for about 40 years (having come from a military family).  Second you draw the unsupported conclusion from you uninformed assumption that Palin could not possibly know anything about foreign policy between the U.S. and Russia.

This fails on several fronts.  Her husband, being a commercial fisherman, has to on a daily basis deal with fishing only in areas that are on the U.S. side of the border and so has a great deal of knowledge in this area.  Sarah, having grown up and worked around this type of people would have gained a lot of knowledge about this.  Same thing with his work in the oilfields of the north slope.  The parallel is that I may not have ever been in the military but my interactions with military people, from my family to my time spent in the Pentagon, has given me a lot of knowledge about the state of the military and the problems in the military/industrial complex.  

Living in the only U.S. state that borders Russia, a state with a small population where there is a lot of interaction between many types of people, would have given her at least the opportunity to learn about these things.

So to make the statement that because she said that Alaska is next door to Russia and use that as a basis for a statement that she understands issues related to that is no stretch at all.  What is a stretch is the manner in which she was attacked for that statement.

This is an apt illustration of what is wrong with the attacks on Palin. First you assume that I have not known the above for about 40 years (having come from a military family). Second you draw the unsupported conclusion from you uninformed assumption that Palin could not possibly know anything about foreign policy between the U.S. and Russia. Let me spell this out for you, space guy, since you're obviously not getting it-- no one said anything about what Palin could know. It could be that she has an IQ of 200, knows more about war than Carl von Clausewitz, and has secretly cured cancer using common household ingredients. What we're talking about are her statements. Not your inference that what she really meant was [x], not the implications of Alaska's geography on US foreign policy, but the reasoning Palin herself gave for why Alaska's geography confers upon her some sort of foreign policy experience.

And what she said was that she has foreign policy experience because Alaska and Russia are neighbors.

Whatever other reasons she might have for thinking that she has foreign policy experience, the simple fact is that when asked for them, the sole criteria she trotted out was the proximity of Russia to Alaska. It would be great if she had given a better argument. She might legitimately have MADE a better argument. People such as yourself certainly aren't shy about trying to put better arguments in her mouth. Despite all that, when directly asked, she did not make those better arguments.

Get over it. Because it's no stretch at all to identify her failure to make such a better argument as indicative of her actual lack of knowledge and experience on those issues.

What we're talking about are her statements.

Actually what you are doing is taking a short sound bite and turning it into a ranting tome regarding what you think Governor Palin knows or does not know.  It is like the thousand comments here about here comment regarding the role of the VP in the Senate.  Her response to that third grader revealed a far deeper understanding of the constitutional role of the VP than any of the commenters. 

What you and the others are doing is projecting your own biases and opinions into what she said in a one sentence response.  Am I doing it as well?  Yep, but at least I have a basis for the projection.

Actually what you are doing is taking a short sound bite and turning it into a ranting tome regarding what you think Governor Palin knows or does not know. Really? Ranting? Is that what I was doing?

I'll repeat my initial comment which started this whole subthread. we ARE talking about a woman who thinks dinosaurs and humans walked the earth at the same time, and who thinks Alaska being located near Russia means she has foreign policy "experience."

You can claim that the foreign policy thing is a "sound bite", but she was given the opportunity to expand and explain, and she chose to use it to reiterate that sound bite. Sorry for your luck, but there it is in a nutshell.

What you and the others are doing is projecting your own biases and opinions into what she said in a one sentence response. It was a bit more than one sentence.

at least I have a basis for the projection. Actually, you don't.

It was a bit more than one sentence.

And, it's not as though she hasn't had ample time to clarify since then, either. She's been more than happy to be vocal about other issues.

To those attacking Palin's foreign policy experience:

What I find most amazing is your concern for the lack of experience of the VP candidate on the republican ticket.  Since international policy and experience is of such importance I am sure you must have voted against B.O.

I have not read all your previous rantings but certainly hope you showed the same disdain for the utter lack of experience of the Pres. candidate on the democrat ticket.  He is the one that will immediately deal with international policy.  No time for training. 

At least if Palin was in as VP she would not have been immediately responsible for international policy as is B.O.

In retrospect, I bet her domestic policy knowledge is is horrible too.  She probably doesn't even know there are 57 states.

Foreign policy : Keep Biden off  the microphones. 

This is a friendly advise.

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brian ford #7.19

...but that doesn't make me an astronaut.

you're definitely wrong about that one.

See how editing works?

(I feel like a regular Charlie Gibson.)

iarnuocon

then you're impervious to fact.

I already knew this, but it's nice to have you confirm it.

it's jes that ya gotta have the capacity to distinguish fact from fallacy, and as I've noted on many occasions, "progressives" ,by incapacity or unwillingness, jes ain't got it in them. Palin's answers are in the context of her interview with Charlie Gibson; they are a continuation, not stand alone. Clearly she made the unreasonable assumption that her answers would be broadcast in full and not tailored to cater to the leftosphere so they could elect The Obama. And you fell for it.

Couric: You’ve cited Alaska’s proximity to Russia as part of your foreign policy experience. What did you mean by that?

So what is Couric referring to? She's referring to the broadcast you heard which was:

GIBSON: What insight into Russian actions, particularly in the last couple of weeks, does the proximity of the state give you?

PALIN: They’re our next door neighbors and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska.

And from here the leftosphere took off into the wild blue yonder soaring to new heights of naivety and credulity. But that's not what she said. That's only what was broadcast. And you think you heard Palin's full answers to Couric, don't you. Liberal bias? Never heard of it.

There's this cool video of Chris Angel walking down the side of a building. This is after he levitates without wires, cranes, or helicopters. If you ask nice, I'll explain to you how he did it.

she made the unreasonable assumption that her answers would be broadcast in full and not tailored to cater to the leftosphere so they could elect The Obama. Hey, all you have to do is provide an example where Palin explains her comments in full. You would think that if the "leftosphere" so horribly abused her, she would have made an effort to fully explain herself. I mean, let's be serious-- Fox News broadcasts 24 hours a day, and they would have zero problem sticking it to the "leftosphere" by broadcasting Palin cogently and rationally defending her stance that she has foreign policy experience that extends beyond the simple fact of Alaska's geography. Hell, my guess is that even today, well after the election, they would happily give her a platform to display her foreign policy acumen. And surely Rush Limbaugh-- Palin supporter extraordinaire-- would happily provide her the opportunity to explain Gibson's and Couric's perfidy, and to display her foreign policy expertise. All she would have to do is ask.

But she didn't even attempt to do that.

And if you think she did, kindly provide the proof. Otherwise, you're just spitballing.

by broadcasting Palin cogently and rationally defending her stance

Hey iarno - that's a bit unfair, don't you think? Neither Fox nor Palin are capable of doing that.

Well, this sounds like progress (excuse the expression). Let's take baby steps, shall we? You agree that Charles Gibson broadcast distorted her responses?

See how editing works?

No, I'm afraid I don't get it. What exactly did you prove? I think you're attempting to be funny, but in your rush to accomplish that, you didn't really pick that great a quote to use out of context.

What exactly did you prove?

I proved that you're an astronaut, and that you got my intention just right.

Let's take baby steps, shall we? You agree that Charles Gibson broadcast distorted her responses? No, I agree that you've asserted it. Now let's agree that you should show some evidence that it happened, and that it distorted Palin's answer in any degree.

Again, Palin didn't and doesn't lack a venue in which to express her foreign policy acumen. She hasn't made use of it, which leads me to believe that her foreign policy experience doesn't consist of much. You think otherwise. I'm willing to entertain the notion. Please provide the evidence that forms the basis for your belief.

Again, Palin didn't and doesn't lack a venue in which to express her foreign policy acumen.

Foreign policy acumen? Stop confusing yourself and stick to the subject. The issue under discussion is whether she claimed that Alaska's proximity to Russia gave her foreign policy experience or whether this was a distortion of the Gibson interview followed by Couric.

Comprendez? Can we agree on that, or do I have to point you to #7.8, and #7.18 because I can if you want me to. I know how to link and everything. Get serious, ok? You know what we're talking about. A-R proximity, fp expertise. Correct? Correct!

Foreign policy acumen? Stop confusing yourself and stick to the subject. Seriously, chuckles, you're the confused party, here.

The issue under discussion is whether she claimed that Alaska's proximity to Russia gave her foreign policy experience or whether this was a distortion of the Gibson interview followed by Couric. Right. You claim it was a distortion by Gibson. Couric followed up on it, and asked Palin to address it specifically. Palin did so by saying, and I quote-- ...Alaska has a very narrow maritime border between a foreign country, Russia, and, on our other side, the land-boundary that we have with Canada. ...our next-door neighbors are foreign countries, there in the state that I am the executive of. ...It's just right over the border. It is from Alaska that we send those out to make sure that an eye is being kept on this very powerful nation, Russia, because they are right there, they are right next to our state.

How you think that ISN'T saying that she has foreign policy experience because of Alaska's proximity to Russia is beyond me. But feel free to elucidate. I suggest you provide evidence for your argument more substantive than your own conjecture.

I know how to link and everything. Then quit bloviating, and do so.

Where has Palin laid out her foreign policy experience, and in what way was her clear argument that she has such experience distorted by either Gibson of Couric? Please provide clear, concise sentences, preferably in Palin's own words, that support your contention.

Or have a big cup of STFU.

iarnuocon,

I am still waiting for your rant about any experience B.O. has in the arena of foreign policy.

Obviously you can't so you continue to trash Palin.  What are you so afraid of her for?  Are you a woman hater?

I suggest the best medicine for you is your own cup of STFU.  Don't choke while swallowing.

Hey Chuck? Don't hold your breath. The reason I don't talk about Obama is that Obama wasn't the one who spent a lot of time talking about Palin's lack of experience. Palin and McCain opened the can of worms, the hypocrites, and it's entirely legitimate to point out the fact that they were (and are) completely full of @!$%#.

What are you so afraid of her for? Because she's an ignorant luddite with pretensions of grandeur, and very little in the way of actual talent? Yeah, I think I'll go with that.

Don't choke while swallowing. That's funny, I said the same thing to your wife, last night.

Because she's an ignorant luddite with pretensions of grandeur, and very little in the way of actual talent? Yeah, I think I'll go with that.

Pot, meet kettle, kettle, the pot is talking about you.

@!$%# off, space guy. What was that about a Bridge to Nowhere, again?

Get back to me when your opinion is worth hearing.

Get back to me when your opinion is worth hearing.

Those that have hears to hear, they can hear, respond, and discuss where we all get smarter.  The others, well they substitute substantive discussion with juvie expletives, providing a different sort of illumination.

they substitute substantive discussion with juvie expletives, providing a different sort of illumination. I speak to you in the language that you apparently prefer. You want better discourse, raise the standard for your own work. TIO can respond at any time with what I've asked from him-- the context he claims he has which puts Palin's remarks in their proper perspective. Apparently, he would prefer not to do so. My guess is that he can't. Chuck wants to jump in the middle of that discussion with condescension and insult. I answered his question and return his insults in kind. He has no one to blame but himself.

You want to play the comment-guru? Have at it. You might even convince some unknowing naif that you're a reasonable person. But you and I both know the truth. I see right through you.

a) Other stabbers in the Republican US Senate lost their grip, not Sarah.

b) Other sillies with their scandals lost their grip in the House, not Sarah.

c) To me it does not matter if she does not speak English, Calculus, Grammar or does not know how to spell, she will be our leader and......

d) If Sarah opens another Party, I will be there voting for her. That much I am fed up with our dinosaurs in the Congress.

e) With Collins and Snowe voting w/the Dems most of the time the balance of power is easily tilted to the Dems in the Congress..

But you and I both know the truth. I see right through you.

Your sight is blurred, colored by the narrow filters in which you view the world.

iarnuocon said:

That's funny, I said the same thing to your wife, last night.

Well you didn't actually say it.  Although I am sure I heard you mumble something while your mouth was full as you dangled between my legs last night.  And thanks for swallowing.

Now, now, boys...space guy and chuck...you seem to have iarnuocon right where he wants you! Time to move on.

space guy and chuck...you seem to have iarnuocon right where he wants you! Where? Sucking each other off, and each pretending the other guy is me? Trust me, it's a visual I could do without. I can't help it that Chuck has a gay crush on me, or that he fantasizes about me while his wife is blowing me. Hell, if he'd have voted no on Proposition 8, he could have found himself a nice young man to settle down with, and he wouldn't have to exercise his homoerotic fantasies on Newsvine.

But sure, let's move on. Chuck's sexual frustrations aren't really the topic, are they?

Just a note, I have not attacked in any inappropriate language iarnuocon.  I have been measured in my responses to him, merely mentioning that he looks at the world through a particular set of filters that blinds him to the totality of the view of the world.  That is an accurate statement.

What other people say or what iarnuocon says is not my problem.

Just a note, I have not attacked in any inappropriate language iarnuocon Yes, this is obviously the first time we've ever interacted, isn't it?

merely mentioning that he looks at the world through a particular set of filters that blinds him to the totality of the view of the world. That is an accurate statement. Or, as accurate a statement as can be made by a guy who has his own set of filters blinding him to the totality of the view of the world.

What other people say or what iarnuocon says is not my problem. Obviously.

Have a good weekend.

The comments on that page are quite scary to me. Just the number of people who are not fazed in the least to imagine that Palin's own campaign found her shockingly ill-prepared; who don't care enough to dispute the veracity of the aide's claims (which would have been easy enough, since the guy really didn't get into specifics about what exactly he was defending); and who are outraged only that a Republican dares to talk about it publicly.

(Ooo, I just saw the links about it being a fake admission. If the comments section is real, at least, my opinion stands.)

So your "opinion stands" on comments made to a bogus article because "the comments is real."

Do you see the problem is this logic?

All the haters need to get over it.

Sarah ........PLEEEEEEAAAAAASSSSSSSSEEEEEEEEE run for President against Obama in 2012. Please. Please. Please!

The future of the United States is counting on it.

OK I'll give you that she is a bright attractive woman. Why did she answer Couric's question about what do you read? She answered to that something like all of it. Whatever they put in front of me. That is a weird answer. I don't even want to think about it and I am an avid reader.

WinslowD, can you list the lies she told?  I must have missed them through all the rhetoric.

John McCain? Respected? With all due respect, you have GOT to be kidding me. The only thing people give him respect for is that he was tortured overseas.... that's it! Even that comes into question based on the fact that, unlike a lot of other soldiers, pilots, etc. he signed a confession of wrongdoing.

Perhaps you don't understand the definition of "respect". There are millions of people on both sides of the aisle who not only respect his military service (POW status included), but his decades of service as a Senator.

YOU may choose to question whether his having signed a "confession" under extreme duress (and threat of withholding medical treatment if he didn't sign it) means that he's not a true patriot, but the rest of us realize that we've never been in a similar situation.

Interesting that the exposed source is a liberal blog

I wonder if all the mail she claims she is getting "begging" her to run for President in 2012 will turn out to be coming from "liberals" too :P

Yes you were mean.  And I recommend a grammer class while you are in a college in AZ.

Do you see Sarah Palin in the Obama Administration?

Yo college, is idiosyncratic, don't you have spell check? It doesn't matter that much and sometimes I'm meaner.

Jade, never trust spellcheck.  "Idiocratic" is a defined word as per Webster's Dictionary and I am always the meanest.

ppfftt.

Argh, it's grammar, not grammer! 

(gosh I was mean)

Yes you were mean.

I'm meaner.

and I am always the meanest.

Did...did...I just see...no...I did see that, didn't I?  That exchange really happened....

Did...did...I just see...no...I did see that, didn't I?  That exchange really happened....

Yes and your post added no value either just as this doesn't.

"Yes and your post added no value either just as this doesn't."

ain't self knowledge a precious thing.

Curious to understand -  (so, pleaz do not think for a moment that I’m being disrespectful or condescending regarding your opinion or comment )

First:    what is ‘wathing’?  Did you mean watching?

Second: 

For those who are part of the Obama cult following remember this day because in a few years you will be wishing you could change your vote.  President Bush has laid the ground work for the U.S. to become a socialist country with the loss of individual responsibility and the Government making your decisions and taking care of people.

Are you claiming or predicting that the Dems and Reps are in a joint conspiracy to create the United States of Socialist  America (USSA)?

Check with some Nordic people, they're doing OK. It's ironic that George began nationalization of the banks and financial giants.

Hey Andnow--since we're telling stories, did you hear the one about Palin thinking she was the "star" of the GOP and that she would actually be a viable candidate in 2012?  Too funny for words!!!  Oh, someone just told me that Palin REALLY believes that!!!   LOL LOL

Somehow a woman that knows she's beautiful and lives in a free society (Alaskans can be more relaxed) might not think it shocking to appear in a towel for cover. Certainly swimming suits are more revealing.

It would seem to me that only if Obama were a modern day Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, would he likely be either a homosexual or a murderer or accomplice to murder.

That's a good question.  McCain certainly seem to have no problem defending Obama during the campaign....but now he can't defend his running mate....probably because she is a conserative.  That's the dirty little secret about this campaign.  McCain has never done anything but express his distain for conseratives thoughout his political career.  I was really suprised that 56 million people were able to hold their nose and still vote for the guy. 

Because McCain knows that Governor Palin can have her own interview for one full hour and he needs a rest. 

Oh God...a Limbaughnian. 

beautiful. just beautiful.

“About Sara Palin, she is the governor of a state in the United States. You don't get elected governor of a state if you don't have some political savvy and knowledge about how government works”………………………Unless of course the people who voted for the Governor of the state are so uninformed that would vote for and send a convicted felon back to the Senate? However, with all the corruption that has come out of Alaska – it might turn out that there was some hanky panky going on with their vote counting. Either way the Governor’s state isn’t looking too good about now. With your inability to reason; I don’t think you should be so quick to criticize the Viners.  

Unless of course the people who voted for the Governor of the state are so uninformed that would vote for and send a convicted felon back to the Senate?

Right on cue...the people of Alaska are "uninformed", as in ignorant or stupid?

with all the corruption that has come out of Alaska

Yes, all that "corruption" is so rampant it has been dominating the news for the longest time...at least eight weeks, right?

it might turn out that there was some hanky panky going on with their vote counting.

On the other hand, it might not...but, hey, just because there's no evidence she is implicated in anything is no reason not to smear her with it by association, right?

Either way the Governor’s state isn’t looking too good about now.

For instance???

With your inability to reason

And finally...I am stupid also. Once again, right on cue! Thank you Ann Phila Pa for making my point.

Now, if you would care to opine about Palin's and Obama's leadership characteristics, qualifications for being elected to national office, or other points, please feel free.

If all you want to do is belittle and insult...please read the first paragraph of post #25 again. I didn't say all Viners...I said there are those who...

Dave-  471712

One of the best posts on the Vine that I've read lately.   I cannot ceased to be amazed at the lack of respect shown Governor Palin, as a governor holding the highest elected position in her state.  What other governor in this country is treated so?

So if we want to "compare" states, while Alaska is strategically important and huge source of natural resources  - what does Connecticut contribute?  Corruption?  Connecticut Senator Dodd received more contributions than anyone else from Fannie Mae  - and used that money to get reelected - what were people in Connecticut thinking?? 

And....Dodd did not even show respect for a female servor that was bringing the beans home with his friend TK in a cafeteria. He should resign right now.